5/03/2005

The Southern Cross



Being from Ohio, I am not a southerner so I guess it’s really none of my business. However, I think I’ll chime in on this anyway. After serving ten years in the military, I have known many southerners, and I know how they are proud of their heritage. Southern hospitality and southern food are some of the things they are proud of. A symbol of their heritage is the Confederate flag. While many believe that the confederate flag is a symbol of racism, I strongly disagree. So the movement to eliminate the confederate flag from the modern south, I feel, is a bit extreme. If the desire is there to eliminate any form of the ol’ southern cross from today’s state flags, it should be added to the ballot and voted on. Otherwise, let’s grow up and get over it.

29 Comments:

At 10:48 AM, Anonymous Are You Neo-Nazi? said...

Saying the southern cross can be flown because it doesn't represent racism is like saying Germans should fly the Nazi flag to celebrate German pride.

We are Americans. Fly the American Flag. The southern cross is a symbol of an shameful time in American History. Like the culture of the south and slavery I am glad that it is "gone with the wind."

 
At 10:49 AM, Blogger sojourning crow said...

being from VA but raised in NY i agree. people are too stupid to discern that people from the south are proud of their heritage and the things that come from it. it has nothing to do with racism.
it's a shame about that but at the same time it will still live in the hearts of southerners and their freedom to fly their own flags. and that love will never die.

 
At 10:54 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 3:08 PM, Blogger GroovyVic said...

Thank you, Brad and Sojourning Crow, for seeing the Confederate flag for what it is, a symbol of pride and heritage. Ugh, I get so fed up with that racist argument. I was a Civil War reenactor, and all the "Confederates" that I met never once brought up the issue of slavery. I have been to the South, and found the people I met to be wonderful, and this is a symbol of pride to them. At any rate, in this day and age to still be calling that flag racist is moot.

 
At 3:43 PM, Blogger Rarebird Nine said...

I thought I should mention something that few people realize: many blacks willingly fought and died for the Confederacy during the Civil War. Somehow I doubt that all of them were pro-slavery.

 
At 4:45 PM, Blogger GroovyVic said...

It is unfortunate, though, that there are some factions (skinheads, the KKK, general idiots) that perpetuate the racism aspect of this flag. That ignorant few is at the root of all the animosity today!

 
At 5:49 PM, Blogger halcyon67 said...

I know why people may see the Confederate flag as a sign of racism, because of the southern racists who exploited the flag for their own reasons.

However, I cannot say whether or not that the flag should be removed, I nor my family was subject to the harsh conditions that slavery brought, nor I am a southern. I think that ultimately it should be left up to the states. It is a state's rights issue.

And I do agree with GroovyVic. You cannot let a certain group of people desecrate a flag. But the thing is, that they are some southerners who think that Civil War is going on. So it can mean a lot of things, it just depends on your perspective on history, and what the Civil War was about. Some say states' rights, I say slavery. I think that the states' issues was peddled because slavery was so atrocious and an act against humanity.

 
At 8:02 PM, Blogger Jude said...

Yes, some racists groups may be associated with the confederate flag, but that does not mean that all people who fly the flag are. To assume so would be prejudiced, which, is what most people against the confederate flag are strongly opposing. Kind of hypecritical if you ask me.

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At 8:05 PM, Blogger me said...

Yadi, Yadi, Yadi.... People can fly whatever damn flag they feel. What about racists organizations like the NAACP? If there were a NAAWP it would be shut down in a day for being racist. Once again Brad hits the nail on the head. Brad you rock...keep up the great work!

Robby

 
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At 3:14 AM, Blogger Sean Heart de Star said...

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I don't know all the details, but know enough about American issues and politics to understand why the flag might put people on edge.

Just recently a country singer from the South came to the UK on tour. The backdrop was a massive southern cross flag. Couldn't help but sense a kind of elitism/purist thing going on.

I suspect there are and non-racists who like the flag, though.

Someone compared flying the southern cross to the Germans flying the Nazi flag. That is a ridiculous comparison. People should walk around a concentration camp and look at the blood stained experiment tables to understand why. The gas executions were in the several millions.

 
At 5:34 AM, Blogger Weary Hag said...

Brad, I just created a long comment which Blogger apparently felt was unnecessary and froze up on me.
Basically I agree with your post. It's a flag. It takes on whatever meaning or symbolism an individual WANTS it to take on.
I doubt flying the Confederate flag from one's stoop in indicative of his desire to own a slave. I see it more as a territorial marker; a decoration. I'll be the last person on earth who tries to control the way in which a person wants to decorate his/her home, car, etc.
I might add, however, that it's my fervant hope that everyone realize we live in a UNITED States and our country's flag happens to have Stars and Stripes. If this fact is unsettling to the proud southerner, then he or she - as an individual - has other issues to deal with. Flying or not flying a decorative flag is the least of their problems if that is the case.
Perception plays a huge role in the issue of the Confederate flag. If one views it as a CURRENT political statement, they could take offense. If one views it as a means to identify a richly historical territory, it no longer becomes a threat.
I say just leave it alone and like you said, grow up.

 
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At 6:31 AM, Blogger GroovyVic said...

Hey! Did y'all know that the "Southern Cross" wasn't even the official flag of the Confederacy? It was a BATTLE FLAG, not the flag that was flown in Richmond at the "Southern White House." Look it up!!!

 
At 7:38 AM, Blogger coldH2O said...

The traditions of the South are pretty much embarassments to the country. If you mean slavery, lynching, segregation, etc., well, y'all need some education. By the way, the South already has voted on it: Jeb!, the governor of Mississippi, Trent Lott, most of the white power structure in the South. What they have forgotten is that we won the war, & they have been whining ever since.

 
At 7:43 AM, Blogger coldH2O said...

Oh, & by the way, Bush ought to be impeached. I'm in a crappy mood since I've been battlling the local DA, the Social Services dept. about the fate of an elementary student. What came crashing down on my head is the result of 25 of a Republican war on the poor & defenseless. Later.

 
At 7:56 AM, Blogger bschneider5 said...

ANd all this time I thought those people were elected! I guess the elections are rigged.

 
At 12:52 PM, Blogger GroovyVic said...

If the elections are rigged would someone PLEASE tell me how that's done? That's the ONLY way I'd be elected to office.

Sheesh.

 
At 3:36 PM, Blogger Mike said...

Thoughts on a few comments made so far:

I might add, however, that it's my fervant hope that everyone realize we live in a UNITED States and our country's flag happens to have Stars and Stripes. If this fact is unsettling to the proud southerner, then he or she - as an individual - has other issues to deal with. Flying or not flying a decorative flag is the least of their problems if that is the case.
True. However, I have yet to run into a single southerner (myself included) who felt that flying the stars and stripes was unsettling. What is unsettling is us being told that we can't also fly a flag reminding us of our rich cultural heritage.

The traditions of the South are pretty much embarassments to the country. If you mean slavery, lynching, segregation, etc., well, y'all need some education.
Yes, those things happened in the south. Those are not the parts of our heritage that we are proud of, and we never even pretend that it is so. If you want to use that argument, then the world should ban the USA from flying the stars and stripes because of atrocities comitted by our country. Think about it...why do some people in middle-eastern countries burn american flags?

 
At 2:29 PM, Blogger Jordan said...

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Let me say this, The Confederate Flag is that of the enemy, it was people who wanted to oppose this great nation. ANY TRAITOR to this country should be treated to a traitor's death. The confederates were traitors.

Having all my family from the south and spending lots of time there I can say it has nothing to do with heritage, but rather embracing a wish that their Traitor ways had succeed.

Anyone who betrays the flag of our country and anyone who bemoans those people who fought against the US of A should also be treated to how we deal with Traitor's

 
At 2:33 PM, Blogger Jordan said...

PS my family is very nice and has plenty of pride in their heritage, but I suspect they don't like the part of our heritage where we were slaves to the people wanting that flag to be the flag of the southern part of our country.

 
At 8:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The civil war is over! Although I do not see the flag as a racist thing, many others do. But really, I don't care if they fly it or not. Those folks that are racist will always be racist, regardless of where the flag is flying, or not flying......

 
At 9:45 PM, Anonymous Mark said...

As a boy raised in South Carolina, yes I understand the ideas of heritage. But both of my parents are conservatives from Indiana, and I am most definatly running for President, so watch out. But either way, heritage and rascism, does it really matter when we allow people like Tom Delay(who bastardizes anything our fore fathers made) in office and while we're at it, add Cheney and Bush with their clout of strength(all three branches of gov), the lower class and the uneducated are being made dumbed down and cant fight for themselves, are we returning to McCarthistic bull crudd? anyways, anyone that likes arguements email me

 
At 10:03 PM, Blogger dct said...

thanks for visiting my place, brad.

i wasn't born in virginia, not even in the united states for that matter, but i lived there for most of life: i pronounce "mary" "merry" and "marry" the same, have good manners, believe in chivalry, my all-time favorite military figure is robert e. lee, etc, etc. so even though my birth certificate will never say virginia, it is stamped all over my heart.

i understand the conflict it causes and the images it invokes, but i have to admit that for me, despite falling under the "liberal" label, it is about the ideal of a way of life that is quickly disappearing of community, simplicity, honor, and a sense of morality.

 
At 6:43 PM, Blogger Wes said...

No matter what you do.... somewhere, some way, someone will be offended.

I hear some historians now want to rewrite the history books as well. Grumblings are that the South was led by a black woman, Roberta E. Lee.

 
At 10:26 AM, Blogger Starfish Destroyer said...

Changing history by removing the flag does NOTHING for this nation.

Or do some people rpefer their kids grow up in a more Hitlerian Society by learning ONLY what the system wants them too?

These Liberals have balls calling Conservatives Nazis. Especially since their Propaganda and SOcial Engineeirng are the ultimate Communist goal in their party.

 
At 10:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The next argument will be that the Stars and Stripes represents oppression of the Native Americans and abuse of Chinese Coolies during the railroad boom.

The thing that Liberals fail to see is that once they set a precendence like this, it tends to get taken to the absurd degree.

Just get the hell over it, because if we have to take our X away, the blacks can take the Malcom X off their shit too. And the Mexican flag can be abolished because of the Alamo, and the State Flags that were in the South will be after that, and then...and then....arrrghhhh!

 
At 3:12 PM, Blogger vampyr_chyld said...

Good show, bud. I totally agree with you. I am from KY but grew up in WI. Totally agree.

 
At 1:45 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was born and raised in the south and have a strong southern pride. My take on this as a moralistic person is that I cannot fly any flag that offends any of my fellow americans.

Ignorance and intolerance are the two main enemies of this country and both have been shown thus far in several previous entries.

Rule of thumb. Know what the hell you are talking about before you open your mouth.

Those who don't know. There was much more to the civil war than just slavery. Slavery was merely the another catalyst that brought this country to it's darkest time.

Here is a note that many may note know about. The old Georgia state flag never had the stars and bars on it until the 1960's when the school systems were de-segregated and many politicians felt it their civil duty to add it to the flag for "southern pride".

 

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